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Re: [microblaze-uclinux] IRC Channel?
Of course IRC sessions can be logged, or even just screen copy/pasted
into email. It's not a technical problem to which I refer. It's the fact
that that logging or copy/pasting and archiving is not *automated*, so
it's unreliable: PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Computer And Keyboard).
Unless the logging/archiving/notification is automatic, and the maillist
includes the exit/entry points to the IRC "sideband" session, the
content will probably be lost.
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 08:39 +1000, David McCullough wrote:
> Jivin Matthew Rubenstein lays it down ...
> > The only way that an IRC channel benefits a large community of mostly
> > "lurkers" more than it costs in lost discussions that still "leech" off
> > the community activity is with a strict logging protocol. The IRC is
> > silent until people agree in email Cc'd to the list to meet on the IRC
> > channel. Then at least one chatter logs the complete transaction and
> > emails it back to the list when the session is done.
> >
> > I don't know of any SW that automates that social protocol. Without
> > automation, it's totally unreliable. So IRC will divert discussions
> > useful to all only to those immediately participating. The overall
> > community that enables those IRC sessions won't get the return, either
> > immediately or in searchable archives.
> >
> > If there's a way to address that weakness, I'd love to hear about it.
> > Until then, I don't want to have to "hang out on IRC" to stay in touch
> > with the MB/uCL project.
>
> I was also under the impression that it was fairly easy to log all
> sessions/traffic on IRC ? That way nothing is lost. I most certainly
> don't have experience with it but I thought I'd seen some substantially
> logs IRC channels in the past.
>
> There have been a number of uClinux IRC channels pop up here and there.
> I think I have connected in two or three times total. They were fairly
> active, but I have never seen the uClinux-dev mailing list suffer at all
> because of their existance.
>
> People will ask questions where they are most likely to get the best
> answer IMO. Actually, it seems people will ask questions in every
> forum available to them if they are desperate for a reply :-). If
> there are MB experts who prefer IRC, then they will hang out there
> and it will work. If not it can still work, but it will be a very
> different forum.
>
> Cheers,
> Davidm
>
> > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 19:19 +0000, Abot Botbot wrote:
> > > well, I agree in principle this is nice for building a community and
> > > knowledge base. But conversely, there is immediacty and just plain-ol
> > > comeraderie in the IRC form. Real time support for simple problems wouldnt
> > > require waiting hours or days for it to turn over on the mailing list. We
> > > could also get to know one another and give a nice face to newcomers and
> > > crossovers from other platforms. Maybe its more time than people are willing
> > > to put into it, but I for one wouldnt mind helping those lower down on the
> > > learning curve, given all the help I've already absorbed.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > >From: "e.stiebler" <emu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: microblaze-uclinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: microblaze-uclinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: Re: [microblaze-uclinux] IRC Channel?
> > > >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:01:47 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Abot Botbot wrote:
> > > >>Hello everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> Do you folks hang out in any specific IRC channels? If not we should
> > > >>start one for uClinux or even just for microblaze.
> > > >
> > > >Please don't. For what we're doing, a mailinglist is better, because you
> > > >can check the archives for questions asked already. In the IRC it is
> > > >exactly what it is, just chat. And it is gone after being answered ;-)
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